Tuesday, 10 November 2009
In defence of Gordon Brown, redux
I really want to let this one rest, because it's not a fucking news story. But, prompted by the revelation that the Sun has a recording of the apologetic phone call Gordon Brown made to Grieving Hero Soldier's Mum Jacqui Janes™, here are two questions:
1. What sort of person, upon receiving a personal telephone call from the Prime Minister, records the conversation and then gives it to a tabloid newspaper?
2. How did Mrs Janes record the conversation? Did she use her mobile? My Mum wouldn't know how to record a voice memo on her phone if you gave her the manual, a laminated card with pictorial instructions, and a week to work it out.
Or did the Sun give her a tape recorder in the hope that Brown might phone to make amends, and they could then nail him?
It is quite an astonishing feat for anyone to make me feel even a shred of sympathy for this appalling man, but Jacqui Janes and the Sun newspaper are clearly working overtime.
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I agreed with your original comment and I agree with this one. For once I found myself believing a no. 10 statement about Brown being "mortified" and it seems his attempt to make an apology has been hijacked by a newspaper in collusion with this woman which is also, well, not right.
I am no supporter of Brown, I want him out at the next election and would like that to be called on the earliest Thursday possible, but this is a non-story now.
I am no supporter of Brown, I want him out at the next election and would like that to be called on the earliest Thursday possible, but this is a non-story now.
Journalists make politicians look positively angelic.
As for Brown getting the surname wrong? The tabloids never get the details wrong after all...
Journalists = scum
As for Brown getting the surname wrong? The tabloids never get the details wrong after all...
Journalists = scum
"It is quite an astonishing feat for anyone to make me feel even a shred of sympathy for this appalling man, but Jacqui Janes and the Sun newspaper are clearly working overtime."
Totally agree with you on this one.
Totally agree with you on this one.
If I thought there was a possibility that the one-eyed Scottish fuckwit would phone me, I'd be sure to have recording functionality to hand.
"What sort of person, upon receiving a personal telephone call from the Prime Minister, records the conversation and then gives it to a tabloid newspaper?"
The same sort of people who are pissed off with a government that record every phone call, text message, email and website visit made by private citizens which is stored for a year and will be available for monitoring by government bodies.
The same sort of people who are pissed off with a government that record every phone call, text message, email and website visit made by private citizens which is stored for a year and will be available for monitoring by government bodies.
Your dead wrong on this.
If you'd lost a son because of the medacity of your prime minister who then goes on treat you shabbily I think you have every right to try and bring this to the attention of the public.
Fuck Brown. I'd like to see him in the dock.
If you'd lost a son because of the medacity of your prime minister who then goes on treat you shabbily I think you have every right to try and bring this to the attention of the public.
Fuck Brown. I'd like to see him in the dock.
Spot on Mr E.
This is absolutely deplorable. I don’t know what makes me angrier.
This lady using her son’s death to score political points and get her picture in the paper.
The disgusting rag that has used her to such an extent to shift more rags.
Or myself for feeling sorry for the bumbling idiot for perhaps the first time in memory.
This is absolutely deplorable. I don’t know what makes me angrier.
This lady using her son’s death to score political points and get her picture in the paper.
The disgusting rag that has used her to such an extent to shift more rags.
Or myself for feeling sorry for the bumbling idiot for perhaps the first time in memory.
"What sort of person, upon receiving a personal telephone call from the Prime Minister, records the conversation and then gives it to a tabloid newspaper?"
I would imagine the sort of person that has just seen their son murdered in an unjust war. I would imagine the sort of person from a militry family that cares about what happens to those that serve their Country.
I would imagine the sort of person that wants as much publicity as possible to highlight the lack of funding our service men get.
I would imagine the sort of person that has just seen their son murdered in an unjust war. I would imagine the sort of person from a militry family that cares about what happens to those that serve their Country.
I would imagine the sort of person that wants as much publicity as possible to highlight the lack of funding our service men get.
On second thoughts, while I still think it was wrong to record the call (or at least, something I wouldn't stoop to), Anoneumouse's comment has a great deal of validity, doesn't it?
I had some sympathy for Brown because of his defective eyesight and my hand-writing is pretty awful too (even if my spelling is I think a little better), but I'm afraid this has evaporated.
I dislike anything News International and Murdoch do, and whether they were directly involved or not in this recording, whoever did organise it has done us all a public service. The woman, in the white fury of her grief, 'spoke truth to power' - his government (whilst Chancellor and lately as PM) sent troops into armed conflict under-equipped.
There have been too many stories over the years about lack of body-armour for every soldier who needs it, both from Iraq and now Afghanistan, for her hectoring of the PM to be dismissed as mere grief.
It may have been unethical to record the telephone conversation, but sometimes it is necessary to nail the odious people who run our government at present any way you can. It's not as if they don't conduct pretty extensive surveillance on all of us 'just in case'; it's salutary for people like Brown to taste a little of what it is like.
I'm watching him on TV right now at his live press conference. Do I believe a word of what he is saying? I have to tell you that I certainly believe very little of it.
I'm sure he is genuinely sorry for what has happened, but that really isn't the point. He needs to do something practical - he should divert funds away from useless social experiments and Labour's 'tax credit' culture and into areas where they are urgently required, such as equipping our military better. This would sit a lot better with me.
I dislike anything News International and Murdoch do, and whether they were directly involved or not in this recording, whoever did organise it has done us all a public service. The woman, in the white fury of her grief, 'spoke truth to power' - his government (whilst Chancellor and lately as PM) sent troops into armed conflict under-equipped.
There have been too many stories over the years about lack of body-armour for every soldier who needs it, both from Iraq and now Afghanistan, for her hectoring of the PM to be dismissed as mere grief.
It may have been unethical to record the telephone conversation, but sometimes it is necessary to nail the odious people who run our government at present any way you can. It's not as if they don't conduct pretty extensive surveillance on all of us 'just in case'; it's salutary for people like Brown to taste a little of what it is like.
I'm watching him on TV right now at his live press conference. Do I believe a word of what he is saying? I have to tell you that I certainly believe very little of it.
I'm sure he is genuinely sorry for what has happened, but that really isn't the point. He needs to do something practical - he should divert funds away from useless social experiments and Labour's 'tax credit' culture and into areas where they are urgently required, such as equipping our military better. This would sit a lot better with me.
Anonemouse puts it well, the guy spies on us all the time.
Not to mention the fact that he sends people to die in wars he doesn't care about, such that they have to buy their own equipment. He also never answers a straight question, if he was honest in parliament, maybe people wouldn't have to resort to such techniques to get a straight answer out of him.
Brown is pure scum, he has ruined the country, the sooner he is swinging from a lamp post the better.
Not to mention the fact that he sends people to die in wars he doesn't care about, such that they have to buy their own equipment. He also never answers a straight question, if he was honest in parliament, maybe people wouldn't have to resort to such techniques to get a straight answer out of him.
Brown is pure scum, he has ruined the country, the sooner he is swinging from a lamp post the better.
Do you think the call wasn't recorded at Brown's end?
Do you think that, if Jacqui Janes had complimented the PM in any way, or absolved him of blame, that she wouldn't have been quoted all over tomorrow's Daily Mirror?
Do you think that, if Jacqui Janes had complimented the PM in any way, or absolved him of blame, that she wouldn't have been quoted all over tomorrow's Daily Mirror?
why do you have any sympathy? After all, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear right...?
Of course you are right.
This is an almighty gaff by The Sun, and all it has done is humanize Brown a bit, and make people feel sorry for him.
Forget what this women has gone through, it's completely dispicable to sell this sort of stuff to the media.
Recording conversations with the PM and selling them to The Sun?
I really care little what questions she was fed to ask, and how important they are.
It's a despicable act. As is printing this conversation in the media.
This is an almighty gaff by The Sun, and all it has done is humanize Brown a bit, and make people feel sorry for him.
Forget what this women has gone through, it's completely dispicable to sell this sort of stuff to the media.
Recording conversations with the PM and selling them to The Sun?
I really care little what questions she was fed to ask, and how important they are.
It's a despicable act. As is printing this conversation in the media.
I've followed the same trend on this as others, I think: the pointlessness of Broon's being pilloried for large scrawly handwriting when he has such poor eyesight, distaste at The Sun's eager exploitation of the situation, and realisation that sneaky recording of phone calls without participants' awareness is just the kind of thing that NuLab has promoted and enacted for many long years - so from that point of view, tough luck, Gordy. Underlying that is the view that Broon has done so many far more reprehensible things worth nailing him for than writing in less than perfect copperplate script. Now Mrs J (playing it safe there with spelling) seems to have had a go at him on larger policy and materiel issues, so I'm back to saying the one-eyed prick deserves what's coming to him. But I did weaken for a moment.
Much more likely, imho, is that everything going through the Downing Street switch is recorded routinely ("because of terrorism", or "healthandsafety", or possibly "for the children") and The Sun has a mole in there somewhere.
It would only be a matter of mailing out a small mp3 file, after all. Not exactly going to draw attention; if you think the govt. has good controls in place to prevent that sort of thing, I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.
It would only be a matter of mailing out a small mp3 file, after all. Not exactly going to draw attention; if you think the govt. has good controls in place to prevent that sort of thing, I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.
Funny isn't it? Mrs J gives Brown a well-deserved going-over in respect of his responsibility (as chancellor as well as PM) for her son's death (recorded/prompted by the Sun, sure, but at least she was given the chance to get at the person responsible for her bereavement). However, the MSM - particularly the BBC - who have had the opportunity to nail Brown in person in numerous interviews/press conferences let this issue (and many others) just slide past. Articles are written detailing Brown's deficiencies in regard to the war but I have never heard, on the BBC Today programme for instance, or read in a paper, as tough an interview as Mrs J inflicted on Brown. Why should that be?
The sun has given this woman the one and only means she will ever have to stick the knife in the cunt that is in a large part responsible for the loss of her son.
Is it any wonder she took it ?
Is it any wonder she took it ?
I don't have any sympathy for Brown because dealing with hacked off people is part of his job. As an MP he has to deal with angry and unhappy constituents. As PM he has to deal with angry and unhappy parents of dead soldiers. It goes with the territory.
Having said that the initial story itself is crap. So what if he has crap handwriting? So do most people these days because we never write by hand any more. And he has the further excuse of being blind in one eye and half blind in the other.
As for the recorded conversation - it was pointless on both sides and who knows why the Sun ran it. For every reader who sympathises with Mrs Janes there will be another who sympathises with Gordon Brown. So they have achieved nothing except to turn the death of Mrs Janes' son into a political farce.
Well done all round.
Having said that the initial story itself is crap. So what if he has crap handwriting? So do most people these days because we never write by hand any more. And he has the further excuse of being blind in one eye and half blind in the other.
As for the recorded conversation - it was pointless on both sides and who knows why the Sun ran it. For every reader who sympathises with Mrs Janes there will be another who sympathises with Gordon Brown. So they have achieved nothing except to turn the death of Mrs Janes' son into a political farce.
Well done all round.
Personally, I think broon deserves everything he is getting , and then some.
After all, he has been able to tell porky pies since 1997 unchallenged so I find it refreshing that someone who has had to help her son buy equipment before going to war, is able to show him for the mendacious c..t that he is.
Not only that, but his eyesight is not a recent occurence so I am not sure why he could not be bothered to have someone check his letter before sending it. This lack of attention to details for something like this where someone has lost a son is despicable.
After all, he has been able to tell porky pies since 1997 unchallenged so I find it refreshing that someone who has had to help her son buy equipment before going to war, is able to show him for the mendacious c..t that he is.
Not only that, but his eyesight is not a recent occurence so I am not sure why he could not be bothered to have someone check his letter before sending it. This lack of attention to details for something like this where someone has lost a son is despicable.
you fucking soft cunt.
brown is a mendacious cunt who deserves every painful humiliation hepaed upon him.
I hope the Sun continues to make the blind cunt suffer.
brown is a mendacious cunt who deserves every painful humiliation hepaed upon him.
I hope the Sun continues to make the blind cunt suffer.
I reckon that our democracy (no sniggering at the back there) is undergoing a slow 'correction'. Interestingly it is not being lead by the media but by ordinary people fed up with the current 'do as I say, not do as I do' political establishment.
Think back over some of the key news items of recent months. MPs expenses details leaked. Jacqui Smith's second home arrangements challenged, MPs paying their children for 'research', MPs children being fast tracked for a parlimentary seat, numerous squadies telling tales from Afghanistan, and of course the Condolence Letter Affair.
All of these down to ordinary people using old and new media to show that they are unwilling to stay silent any longer. Often their revelations spring from privileged communications.
I can't find it in my heart to criticise people for wanting to share their suffering with those that cause it.
Lots of people have tried fixing our democracy - their efforts seem to be being ignored. If you can't fix it, kick 'em in the medias.
Think back over some of the key news items of recent months. MPs expenses details leaked. Jacqui Smith's second home arrangements challenged, MPs paying their children for 'research', MPs children being fast tracked for a parlimentary seat, numerous squadies telling tales from Afghanistan, and of course the Condolence Letter Affair.
All of these down to ordinary people using old and new media to show that they are unwilling to stay silent any longer. Often their revelations spring from privileged communications.
I can't find it in my heart to criticise people for wanting to share their suffering with those that cause it.
Lots of people have tried fixing our democracy - their efforts seem to be being ignored. If you can't fix it, kick 'em in the medias.
If only one life is saved by the embarrassment caused by this it will be worth it irrespective of anyone’s personal thoughts on the rights and wrongs. It’s only the press, a life’s a life.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Sun Tzu
And make no mistake - this government is at war with us, the people. Should we continue to let them ride roughshod over us or fight using whatever comes to hand?
Sun Tzu
And make no mistake - this government is at war with us, the people. Should we continue to let them ride roughshod over us or fight using whatever comes to hand?
This can only be a complete set up by The Sun. Let's not forget that their new political editor used to be the Defence Editor.
I don't agree with what she's done but mainly I think that it's terrible taste of The Sun to use the death of a young soldier for political purposes.
I've spoken to many families who have lost loved ones who are touched by having the hand written letters from the Prime Minister because Blair didn't. I myself have a letter of thanks from Gordon Brown for something I worked on and whilst it was typed, the Dear Trixy and Love Gordon bit were written in his trademark pen. It's scrawled but he wrote it.
I don't agree with what she's done but mainly I think that it's terrible taste of The Sun to use the death of a young soldier for political purposes.
I've spoken to many families who have lost loved ones who are touched by having the hand written letters from the Prime Minister because Blair didn't. I myself have a letter of thanks from Gordon Brown for something I worked on and whilst it was typed, the Dear Trixy and Love Gordon bit were written in his trademark pen. It's scrawled but he wrote it.
"What sort of person, upon receiving a personal telephone call from the Prime Minister, records the conversation "
Someone who knows what a lying scumbag the Prime Minister is?
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