Sunday, 18 May 2008
Factchecking Gordon
Curious:
"If anyone had said 50 years ago that the people of our world would achieve black civil rights, tear down the Berlin Wall, end apartheid, no one would have believed it."
I should say not. The Berlin Wall was only built 47 years ago.
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I remember saying at the end of apartheid in SA that that was the end of South Africa. Just watch it disintegrate. Interestingly enough, it is doing just that. All the whites who can get out to Australia, NZ or the UK are doing so. Crime is totally rife. Murder commonplace. The economy going down the pan.
50 years lots of people in the USA could foresee civil rights for blacks. Some liked the idea, others did not. But it was foreseeable and foreseen.
Moreover, he is leader of the British political party that contained most supporters of the Berlin Wall.
Yeah, what Dearieme said. The civil rights movement had been making steady gains since the 2nd World War so that anyone who by 1958 thought that it was unforeseeable must have been an idiot.
"All the whites who can get out to Australia, NZ or the UK are doing so. Crime is totally rife. Murder commonplace. The economy going down the pan."
Chalcedon, South Africa's economy is growing faster than ours and has been for a while now and whilst South Africa's murder rate is extremely high it has been falling pretty steadily for over a decade, from around 70 per 100000 in 1994 to around 40 per 100000 last year.
Chalcedon, South Africa's economy is growing faster than ours and has been for a while now and whilst South Africa's murder rate is extremely high it has been falling pretty steadily for over a decade, from around 70 per 100000 in 1994 to around 40 per 100000 last year.
And if anyone had said fifty years ago, that the people of this country would be staked out by their local councils to make sure they actually lived where they said they did; would have small computers secretly planted in their waste bins to spy on their rubbish; would routinely be photographed everywhere they went, and the resulting information kept for ever, in secret; would be required to carry ID cards; would have to have passports to move from one part of the UK to another; could be held without charge for two weeks (soon to be six weeks); could have their assets sequestered by the state on being arrested (not convicted) of certain offences; could be arrested for buying a pound of bananas; and would have 80% of the laws of the land made in a foreign country by unelected officials who cannot be removed:
Would anyone have believed it?
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